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Dr. Noel Liu:
Welcome to the Secure Dental Podcast. Through conversations with the brightest minds in the dental and business communities, we'll share practical tips you can use to scale your practice and create financial freedom for yourself and your family. My name is Dr. Noel Liu, CEO and Dentist at Secure Dental, and also co-founder of DentVia. I'm your host for the Secure Dental podcast, and I'm so glad you're joining in.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Hey, hey! Welcome everyone, again, back again to our Secure Dental podcast, where we bring in many different talent from the dental industry as well as from outside. And today, we have a great, great treat here for you guys. I have a special person, Dr. Dan Kopeliovich. I hope I said it right.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
That's the right way.

Dr. Noel Liu:
There you go. And Dr. Dan is from Israel, Tel Aviv. He is an oral maxillofacial surgeon and founder of WiseImplant. Now, before we get started, I just want to give a shout-out to our sponsor, DentVia. DentVia is a virtual dental administration company that supports our front desk, our managers, all the back-end tasks, such as insurance calling, verification, call leads, etc., to help supercharge our front desk in our dental offices. So visit them at www.DentVia.com. Again, it's www. D E N T V I A.com. Now, let's get to the show. Dr. Dan, tell us a little bit about how you got started, and give us a little bit background about what you did in Israel.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
First of all, I know I'm really excited to be here. And, you know, I feel like a 16-year-old before a new date.

Dr. Noel Liu:
There you go.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
All the flight and fight symptoms and dry mouth and stuff are really excited and happy to be here, and it's really exciting. So, and it's a much honor, you know, especially after completing my high school in Israel, the course of slice of life is a bit different. I did my military service. I was an officer in a combat unit. And then, I went to find myself in South America for around a year. So, essentially, around '22, '23, I decided to start learning something, and the, but there was a problem. I wasn't a good pupil in high school, so my grades were. And how to say it, not the best in the class, more of the less than average. But we have really good courses in Israel that a pre-academic in the university itself. And I went to one of these programs, and they, I finished it for one year. And this way, I managed to enter the dental medicine faculty, and I finished it in the Hadassah in Jerusalem, Israel, in the Hebrew University. And then, I won't lie, I didn't connect to the general practitioner or the general dentist's work. It was really hard for me. I know something with my maybe perfectionism or, I don't know, something didn't work out, like trying to do a crown for 2020 or something. I will say, it was awful. And I was thinking to myself, I'm trying to be short. Yeah, but it's a long story. I was thinking to myself, okay, what am I doing? I'm doing with my life. I, already almost 30, I don't know if I want this career in dentistry. And I knew that I like endo and surgery. And essentially, after I told myself, okay, Take a year to work in dentistry and then decide if you quit and go find another career, or if you go on this route and everything will be okay.

Dr. Noel Liu:
So, how old were you? You were 30 at that time?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah, I was already 30. Now, in America, it's already like, really old person.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Oh, no, no, no. ... School. Okay. Love it.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Essentially, I said to myself, okay, give it a chance for one year, and I worked in Syria and say, okay, no way. There is no chance I'm ... going to different career. I know medicine, maybe different stuff in computers, because I always liked computers as well. And essentially what happened is that I got accepted to a residency, maxillofacial surgeon. I tried to get to different residencies, and then I got to a residency in Ashkelon. It's a place led by a then professor .... He was a pioneer in salivary glands and endoscopy, and he has a brand name in this area. So I went to be.

Dr. Noel Liu:
What's his name again?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
O... N...

Dr. Noel Liu:
N..., okay.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah. He is a brand name in the, in this area of endoscopy, of salivary glands.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Gotcha.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
And I started residency there and, you know, as soon as I started the residency, it suddenly like, like the sun struck me, and I was so happy. You know, I'm doing surgery. I'm seeing the patient, I have connections. Although it's really hard work, you know, with the shifts and the stress in the surgery, I liked it. I got really immediate satisfaction from the profession. And I knew, I knew, I'm in the right place. And in Israel the residency is a bit different. It's five years, not four like in the US, and you don't get a medical degree. And I knew I knew immediately that I want to go to a fellowship. And this is the reason why I pursued for medical degree as well after the residency. So think of it. I'm, I'm already like, after residency and I'm going to be a student of medical degree. And it was very awkward with the people, but I had fun with this. The only problem was that I had to already, to bring salary to my family and, you know, feed my kids. And so I had to also be a student in the morning, and in the afternoon, and the night shifts, as a maxillofacial surgeon. So, it was a very challenging era, but I managed to finish it. You know, I'm not a spoiled guy. I'm doing everything the hard way. I hope the audience understands me with the accent and my English.

Dr. Noel Liu:
No, no, no, you're doing great. You're doing great. I just want to get a little timeline from you. So you finished dental school at, how old were you at that time when you finished your dentist, your general?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
I finished my dental school at the 30, around 30. And then I went to residency, and then I worked for one year, and then I started a residency for five years, and then, I'm trying to cut stuff in the middle, like, different stories that happened. But ... essentially, I finished the residency in 35, and then I started medical school. It's around four years. You have also an internship in the hospital. So it's like three years studying and then another year of internship. And this is the shortest program for maxillofacial specialists. So I finished this program and then I tried to pursue a fellowship in the United States. I did a couple of mistakes. I don't know if I should tell them, but I rejected a very generous offer that would maybe make my life much easier.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Right, right.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
But I reject from a really good maxillofacial program to be like to come and do a third and fourth year, a chief, a senior, and chief. And I was stupid, you know, I was a bit tired from the studying, and I wasn't prepared to start immediately, and they wanted somebody immediately. So then, I tried to find a real fellowship program, and I found this program in, in Baltimore, University of Maryland, had a neck surgery, a really hard program. I know it's hard and every aspect, but I didn't know how hard it would be. Definitely one of the hardest things I did in my life. Not because the surgeries or the hard work that was expected from me, but it was harder because of the toxic work environment that I was seeing there. So I really.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Lots of politics, lots of politics, like basically, right?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah, it was really, really, really toxic for me as a person because I don't want to go into it, but.

Dr. Noel Liu:
No, that's fine. That's fine.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
It was like quite a trauma because I was like a bit in captivity because I moved all my family to the US and I didn't want. Yeah. So we were with, I'm very lucky to have a wife and three kids, and my wife also, I'm really lucky that she accepts all this crazy stuff to do relocation. First relocation, and then, so I will tell about the second relocation. So what happened is that I was a bit in captivity because I couldn't quit to go, because I knew that I need to transfer my kids back to to Israel again in the middle of the year. And I didn't want to do that. So I said, okay, I'm never giving up, you know? I'll do whatever it takes, but I'm not giving up. I didn't give up. I finished this year, and we, I know, like, divorced from the school. Yeah, so I finished one year. It's, it can be 1 or 2 year program. I finished one year. And then, I started a bit of a rehabilitation program for myself. I was sitting in Washington, DC, where I lived with my family, and thinking, what should I do next? And then I started my startup, WiseImplant. This is the place that I really decided that I want to pursue as part of my rehabilitation program, from the heart, ... I had, yeah.

Dr. Noel Liu:
So I want to know something, right? What was one learning thing that you had from that experience at that university? So that university you were like you said, it's toxic. Was it because you were burnt out? Was it because you did not really fit into the culture? Was it the people there? They had like different school of thought, like what was the thing that you felt?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
I will tell you, I knew, I'm going to a toxic environment before because I talked with the other. I talked with the previous fellows. But what happened? I said, you know, I'm a nice guy, so I never had a place that people didn't like me, you know, I never encountered it. And suddenly, in the first or second week, I understand that the, I won't be specific about what were the problems, but I understand somebody doesn't like me in the first week. In the second week, I understand they really doesn't, don't like me. And the third, or about a month later, I said, okay, I think he hates me. And then I said to myself, okay. But as I mentioned before, I had to finish the year, so I stuck it out.

Dr. Noel Liu:
You stuck it out. That's the biggest thing that matters, you know, like trying to stay consistent.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
And it was it was physically very tough. Very tough physically. I lived in Washington, D.C., and I was doing the commute every day at 5 a.m. to Baltimore. But I knew that, for me, I don't mind to suffer, but I wanted my family to have a really good environment and very friendly, of course, school and the environment. So I knew there is an Israeli community in Rockville, in Maryland, and so I put my family there. This is what my house and I was commuting. So also the, all the surgeries and all the 12 hours, 14-hour surgeries, all the stress, all the stuff together, and I was also commuting. It was a heck of a year, and so, yeah.

Dr. Noel Liu:
No, absolutely. I can only imagine.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
... Behind me.

Dr. Noel Liu:
You left Israel, you left home, you relocated yourself, you relocate your family in a new country, in a new place. I mean, that's relentless, man. That's like being, it was really relentless.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
And, you know, I'm not a very verbal guy, you know, and just recently, like one of my kids was diagnosed with verbal dyspraxia. And then, when he was diagnosed, I said to myself, wait, wait, wait, wait, let's see the symptoms. You know, how do you how do you diagnose it? And then, you know, I'm thinking to myself, I check, I have another check, I have another check, I have that, and then you figure out, okay, all your life you have this difficulty with the conversation and the verbal verbalism. And then you understand that the, you manage to overcome this also. So on one hand it's a, it's very, you know, gives you energy. You can overcome everything, you know. But on the other hand, it's hard. You know, when I'm talking with you, I know I could talk much, much like 100 times better if I didn't had it. Like, you know, the problem with it is to find the right words. The drawing of the words is really, really, really hard for me.

Dr. Noel Liu:
You're doing great, my friend.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah, I'm trying to overcome. Yeah, I'm trying to compensate with different stuff, you know?

Dr. Noel Liu:
No, you're doing great, man. You're doing great. So, right now, so you found WiseImplant, right? So WiseImplant, it's something where it's an implant company. And I know, like, for a fact that Israelis are really good with implants. You know, like most of the components that I've noticed.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
So I will, I'll try to explain because it's not a real implant company, especially in like elevator pitch WiseImplant is a platform for implantology for oral surgeons that want to make their success rate higher.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Okay.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
It does so by our platform, that is, takes data from different sources, lots of data, analyze it with our AI algorithms, and produce your results and gives you, I will explain later, but it gives you essentially three, and based on three different pillars, it gives you what you can change and how you can make your success rate in implants higher. So this is the idea underneath of WiseImplant, and it's only the beginning. So my vision is going really far away.

Dr. Noel Liu:
What I would like to know from you is, how did you come up with this idea of finding an implant, okay, and what was the spark?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Okay, the spark was, I won't lie to you. After the residency, I started doing implants so that implants, implants, implants. Because this is the bread and butter for oral maxillofacial to implant to get, you know, to get the salary and make, you know, make your life better. So suddenly, after a couple of months, I noticed that I get failed implants, but really weird ones. You know why they like that 46 implant. It's a lower molar, perfect bone. You can take a student blind, blindness, and he can put the implant in, and it should work. And suddenly, I get cases that are the implants are loose. I take them out, and you know it. It wasn't so easy to see, but I didn't have Excel sheets and stuff that tells me, okay, you have the drop in your success rate. I had a feeling. I don't know how to analyze it. Is it 10%? 50%? It's it's very, very subtle. You know, people don't like to discuss their failures. Everyone, I'm the best, ..., 97.8 success rate. Everything is 99% success rate. Everything. Also, you know, in the, it's funny in the head and neck surgery. So when they giving the presentation, yeah, we have 99% rate success rate. We have 90%. So I learned when somebody tells you I have 95% rate success rate and above, you should start thinking, okay, maybe there is some kind of bias, maybe there is some kind of an analytical problem there. I don't believe it. Also, how do you say what is a success rate? My view is that, you know, it's different. The literature has some success with different criteria. You get lost in it, you know, so I'll go back to the story. I have this drop in the success rate very sudden, and I want to discuss with people. And usually, people don't like to discuss. But after a couple of months, I found this in a convention. I find this periodontist. And he said the, I told him, you know, I have a drop in my success rate. I had it for two months, and it disappeared, and it's really great. And he said to me, and I had to think the same thing when it did happen. And then we, we saw it, it crossed in the same timeline. And then I asked him what brand, and he said the same brand I was using. I was saying, okay, what if not? And then and then we said, okay, this is interesting. It might be the implant. Now then, I started doing some research, and the implant companies, they don't like to give you the data. They know. Usually, they know because they have the system that you give back the implant and get a new implant, right? But they don't they don't give you the data. They don't, they don't. They advertise their oh, we have a drop of 2.5% in success rate in this slot, and this slot is 5% less. No, they'll never do that. So this is the basis for my idea of doing a system that would give all the implantology, the data regarding the implants. But then it evolved, and I have a system that is based on three different pillars: the patient, the implant, and the surgeon. And it analyzes each pillar and gives you a lot of feedback for each pillar. For example, the main two pillars that we are working with are the surgeon and the implant. The implant itself, you know if there is a, it can give you like a real-time analysis if there is a problem with any lot or in any model for the surgeon. It can give it a like also alert. You know what, you have a problem in maxilla in women in the right side. And then, surgeon can start and think, why? Why do I have this problem in the right side of the maxilla? And then you can say, okay, maybe I'm pressing more. I'm drilling in a different protocol. So, this system is essentially targeted to give conclusions and asking the question for each one of these pillars.

Dr. Noel Liu:
So, in terms of your WiseImplant, what stage is it in now?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Right now, so we are fortunate enough to have a, we planned until the end of the quarter to have one design partner. Currently we have two DSOs that we are in connection. And the, in communication to start a process to enter the, our system to the DSO, we are always open for others, you know, and we're developing it to be also connected with DSO. We did a little bit of a change six months ago, and this is the reason we took a step back because we decided to go only with the DSOs.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Oh, okay.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah, yeah, at least in the beginning, until we have enough data. So we are now in the process of entering a stage with 1, 2, or 3 DSOs, and then, we'll be ready to get more and more DSOs. And then, in the end of the road, also clinics and the private practices, of course. Of course, this is one of the, our goals. I hope this in the next year.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Where are these implants made? Yeah.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Noel, so maybe I didn't explain myself well. We are not an implant company. We are a company that, or a startup that analyzes the data.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Analyzes, gotcha. Okay, okay.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
... Analyze all the data that we get from the different locations. We analyze all the data. And you get like all the data analyzed by our AI algorithms, and you get different maps. For example, me as a surgeon, I get all, I get my benchmark compared to other surgeons. Yeah, not, of course, everything is totally anonymized, and I think even the data that comes to our system is totally anonymous. But our system is a data system that analyzes the data and gives you insights, AI insights, and all data, but not only your data. All surgeons that work with the system and also different data from different sources.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. I mean, you know, a lot of times, you don't know why the implant failed, right? So that's a really, really great help. So are you working with like, any implant brand to give the data from?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
No, we don't work with implant brands. And I'll explain you because we don't want to have involvement of this medical industry in our company. Our company is based for doctors and patients to make their lives better. We don't want money. We don't want money. And we don't want data from the implant industry. No, no. It's, totally need to be blocked because we want to be really not biased for the success rate and the quality of the implants. You know, imagine yourself that I can, I'm proving in real life that an implant that costs $400 has the same success rate as an implant that costs $100. So I don't want connection with the industry. I want connection only with the doctors that are implantology that put the implants, and that's it with the patients and make the patients' lives better, you know? Like if you raise the success rate of implant, you know, there is only in the US like 3 million implants a year annually, and you raise it by 1%. It's it's a crazy effect and we can do that. We are definitely there. And in my vision, in three years from now, a patient comes to your clinic, and you ask him, okay, you do all the medical analysis, and he says to you, I'm a diabetic. I had I was smoking seven years ago, one pack. And the system analyzes all the data from the patient and says to, okay, for this patient in the maxilla, you need to take this implant with this drilling protocol, with this amount of newtons of insertion. And you need to wait this amount of time and use this kind of abutment and stuff. So I want the system to be tailored for the patient, for his higher success rate, especially for the complicated all the diabetes and all the smokers and all the patients that has more failure rates, yeah.

Dr. Noel Liu:
So, hey, doc, walk me through the process then, how does somebody start this process? Like if they say, hey, I want to see if I can get the data or if I want to tailor it to my needs, what would be the start-up process to get involved?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
We are now in a phase that we are working. We are trying to work only with the DSOs.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Right, right. Let's see, if there's a DSO that starts, right, what would be the process?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah, so they can, because I'm the like the founder CEO, and they can contact me, or we are also on a website and or my LinkedIn or the company's LinkedIn or whatever.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Gotcha.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
And we start, you know, some kind of expectations what the DSO wants to expect. We don't sell, you know, everyone that in the industry knows that I'm, it's not my first entrepreneurship. Noel, I'll tell you about, when I was beginning medical school, I developed an app for measuring CBCT ... So many countries don't have CBCT in office, especially like ten years ago, they had CBCT in specialized centers that you send the patient to a center, it takes the x-ray, and you get a report. Usually the report was a PDF, a PDF file. So I developed an app that you take the PDF file and you can do the measurements. You can put the implants and stuff, and I developed it by myself. I didn't have too much time because I also was in medical school, and all of us were working, but it was very, very popular in third-world countries, Yeah, Israel, in Brazil, and the different countries, and really a lot of people used it. So, this is not the first time I'm developing something in technology. So I already have an understanding of this world, you know. And the people are very good in marketing, so I'm not good in marketing. No. And I'm saying that, you know what, you know, the real world, there is also shit in the real world. And I'm saying it in front, you know, and so it's very important for me to speak with the DSO to explain them the system, to see what's their expectations. And then, if it's a match, we can go forward and, and put our platform in their systems, and they see, probably, I hope so, they will be very happy with this. You know, I think that in analyzing the data is a key issue in our world today. And we also have a problem with too much data. And we can, you know, narrow the data so exactly what you need.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Oh, that's great that you clarified because I thought it was a company, right? And so, basically, you are basically just doing the data, so that is so awesome. I don't think anybody else is doing that.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
I never really found a real competitor, like doing the same, right? No, I didn't find it. There is something and then, but it's a bit far. So it's, it doesn't match to what we are planning and what we are doing here. Definitely.

Dr. Noel Liu:
So right now, where are you based? Where are you at?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
... I never know. You're never gonna guess. After I started working on WiseImplant and essentially I'm, I wasn't working and the developing, and then, while being in Washington, I got a job offer at a really crazy place, and, your audience won't guess it, in the real world. So I gathered, I will make it short. I got a job offer in Cancun in Mexico. It's like a high-end dental clinic that treats patients from all over the world, mainly from the US and Canada. They are coming as medical tourism, and I'm here at the maxillofacial to do the bigger surgeries, the bone grafts, the all on four-on-six orthognathics, and stuff like that, and yeah.

Dr. Noel Liu:
So that's really what you do a lot now, right? In Cancun?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah, yeah. And the, mainly, I was tempted by the work-life balance here in.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Tell me a little bit about that. Tell me a little bit about that. How's that going?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
I want to speak out too much, you know, not to do, curse my stuff. But I start work at 10 a.m., and I finish, usually no later than 2 or 3.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Yeah? Wow.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
And the environment is really, really nice. My, the founder of the clinic is great. And we are really, you know, working together, and the team there is a great team of a multi-discipline team with a periodontist, endodontist, and everything. And we are, it's really, it's fun and great to work here. And also the fun stuff, you can be with your family, and there are beaches and the attractions that I like it. So I'm really lucky that my wife is going with me on this crazy journey, and this crazy journey, yeah, and relocations.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Yeah. Love it, love it. Hey, listen, man, you went through a lot, right? You came from Israel. You went through that school, and it was brutal. And then you came out, and then you still been like, you know, just, like, consistently hitting it hard. I think you deserve a little break, right? So I love it. Love it. So tell me, what is your future? What is the future for you now? What's next? What's your next chapter?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
I think I'm a, because I have a really good work-life balance here in Mexico, I can have more time to put invest in WiseImplant, and I really want this project to succeed, and this is my main goal to the next year or two. And then, you know, in the future, I don't know, we'll see. Now in Israel, it's a bit of a messy situation, you know, I hope everything will settle down, and I really hope that the hostages will come back home. Two days ago, it was the one year of the war that began, and I really hope that they will have a quieter time. And, you know, that people will have quiet.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Yeah, some tranquility, some peace, right?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Absolutely. Do you still have family there?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah, I have family there.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Okay, okay.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Also all my wife's family there. Yeah, I'm planning to go visit there in December.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Very nice, very nice. Well, you be safe out there. Hey, doc, thank you so much for joining in. One last question I got for you. Since you are one of those relentless people that you know, I know of, and there are very few in the world, by the way, what does success mean to you?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Wow. Now, this is a really, really hard question. Wow. This is.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Define it in your terms. Let's put it that way.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
First, I want to say it's a great question. I think this question has so many layers, so many layers, you know, but sometimes you want to work in your little place and get your salary and be with your family and do your fun stuff, whatever you have. I think for myself, I think the life journey, only the journey itself, it's, if your life you have to say thank you and everything is, every other thing is a bonus. If your kids are healthy and you are healthy, and your family are healthy, it's a success. And I think also it's kind of a graph. You know, sometimes you want to be more active, sometimes you want to be more passive and everything is good. You know, if you like where you are and you have good community, good friends, this is everything. Good family. I think this is the main pillars of life, so.

Dr. Noel Liu:
I love it.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Success is not being, you know, one thing I will tell you. Success is not chasing publications and chasing gratitude from other people that will ... you and say, wow, you are wonderful. I'm not searching for it. I'm searching to be full in my heart, you know, helping people also as much as they can, and then, and being full with what you do. And I think we are very, very lucky to be able to give like all people in medical profession, you know, nurses, PTs, doctors, everyone, they can give from themselves to others. So I think it's already a success to be able to give to others.

Dr. Noel Liu:
That is such a powerful statement you just said, my friend.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Thanks. I hope it was understandable with my basic English.

Dr. Noel Liu:
No, no, absolutely. You know, like, what I always say is, if you have the opportunity to give or you have the opportunity to help, that is an opportunity in itself, and I think that is what you just nailed it in the head, so I love it. And I love the fact too, that you know, you have your family first because without family you're nobody, right? I mean, your family is everything and that is why you work so hard for so.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Yeah. I'm trying. I'm trying to go on. It's not easy, yeah.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Hey, thank you so much for coming on my pod. And, you know, this was such an amazing story that I got, you know, you shared with us, so I really appreciate it.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
No, it was, you know, always people saying it was a pleasure and, but really, I was really afraid from the podcast, you know, with my verbal stuff and stuff. I was really like, nervous and it, essentially, it was fun.

Dr. Noel Liu:
It's fun. It's fun, yeah.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
No, but I think you give some kind of environment of tranquility, and don't worry, it will be okay, and I really thank you for that. I had a really good time.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Hey, same here! I loved it, I loved every second of it. Thank you so, so much for coming in.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Thanks. Thank you for the offer. Also, I want to thank the listeners for listening. I hope it was interesting. And if you want to, if you have any questions about what is implied about my career or whatever, feel free to shoot me a message.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Absolutely. Any of you listeners, if you are looking for any kind of more information, feel free to DM Dr. Dan. I mean, he's on LinkedIn. Do you have an IG, Instagram?

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
I have something, but I don't think I have it.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Don't worry. Don't worry. We'll put up the link below. We'll put up the link. But the best way to reach Dr. Kopeliovich is through LinkedIn, and that is where you're going to find him and also WiseImplant. And if you have any question, DM me. I can definitely get you in touch with him for sure. Other than that, make sure to like and subscribe. We're going to land the plane here. And thank you again so much for being on the pod. Thank you.

Dr. Dan Kopeliovich:
Thank you.

Dr. Noel Liu:
Thanks for tuning in to the Secure Dental Podcast. We hope you found today's podcast inspiring and useful to your practice and financial growth. For show notes, resources, and ways to stay engaged with us, visit us at NoelLiuDDS.com. That's N O E L L I U D D S.com.

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